Commons:Deletion requests/File:Piedmont Airlines logo.svg

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File:Piedmont Airlines logo.svg

Above TOO in the USA,the symbol of a bird is not simple for example the logo of American Airlines with a bird (Commons:Deletion requests/American Airlines logos). Please deleted this. AbchyZa22 (talk) 14:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The geometry is simple, but the arrangement suggests a bird. Using 3 quadrilaterals for the wings is not common. There's enough here that the image is above ToO. Even if it were close, COM:PCP would require a free license. Glrx (talk) 23:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Glrx:Is the same bird using from 1974 for example this (https://1000logos.net/piedmont-airlines-logo/) ,but wait for Public Domain in 2069 (undelete in Commons in 2070) (1974+95+1=2070) (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 06:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, undelete 95 years after 1974. The flip side is if it was published without notice in 1974, then it is PD now. However, showing publication without notice back then would be tough. Glrx (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep To me it looks quite similar to File:Los Angeles Football Club.svg which is listed on COM:TOO USA as OK. S5A-0043🚎^{(Leave a message here)} 04:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also I just found out this was kept in a previous DR which determined it was under TOO: Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by EEIM#Files uploaded by EEIM (talk · contribs) 4. S5A-0043🚎^{(Leave a message here)} 04:47, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The stylized bird is not simple, without this symbol its OK for Commons (google translator). AbchyZa22 (talk) 05:29, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In all honestly I feel the LAFC logo with the shield and the artistic design of the letter A was less simple than the Piedmont logo, so if the LAFC logo was ruled by the Copyright Office as ineligible for copyright I fail to see how the Piedmont logo should not be kept. S5A-0043🚎^{(Leave a message here)} 07:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If a logo is too simple to be eligible for copyright, a copyright notice at the bottom does not make any difference. The LAFC website also has a "©2025 MLS" at the bottom; that does not change the fact that the USCO decided not to register a copyright to the LAFC logo. S5A-0043🚎^{(Leave a message here)} 11:38, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep No valid reason to justify the deletion. There's no evidence regarding copyright notice of Piedmont Airlines logo from US Copyright Office (you could see at USCO website). As reminder, prior to 1989, there was requirement for an individual or a company who want to claim the copyright ownership of the brand to register its work to USCO. Failure to register such work, especially pre-1978 works such like this one, means that the work automatically fall into public domain regardless whether its works above TOO or not. I also don't believe AbchyZa22's statement about copyright notice at website. All websites are attach "©2025 xxx" at the bottom, but does not mean that just copyright notice below the website alone automatically eligible for copyright, especially if the website are contained an simple logos. Yayan550 (talk) 19:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok you right peer Yayan550, I withdraw my nomination. AbchyZa22 (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

e/c

I believe this misstates the law. There is no requirement to register a 1974 work that was published with a copyright notice. COM:HIRTLE. Published with notice between 1964 and 1977 is 95 years from date of publication. Registration is only required for works published up to 1963 (those works expire for failure to renew). Glrx (talk) 20:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently you don't understand fully while i appreciated your thought. Works published before 1978 if no copyright notice exist (that's including anything prior to 1977 work), fall into public domain. For works published between 1 January 1978 to 28 February 1989, if there's no copyright notice exist and without subsequent copyright registration within 5 years (for example a 1978 work would have to register its work until 1983 to obtain the copyright), also fall into public domain. No copyright registration requirement only apply for post-1 March 1989 work. Yayan550 (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per S5A and Yayan. --Bedivere (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]